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USED LS 430 CARSUSED LEXUS LS 430 CARS FOR SALEWelcome Lexus UserNot you? click hereNot you? click hereMy AccountVehicle comparison (0)Search results The Lexus LS 430 is smooth, quiet and refined on the inside, but its 4.3-litre V8 engine creates quite a stir on the road. The interior is nothing short of decadent, with supple leather trim and rich wood accents.Selection of vehicles currently available LS 430 4.3 £6,995 Registration:YM51RXJMileage:66,700Year:Sep 2001Fuel:PetrolTransmission:AutomaticView detailsColour: Finished in Metallic Platinum ice with Ivory Rutland Leather interiorLocation:SheffieldBody style:Saloon LS 430 4.3 £8,950 Registration:RD51YSEMileage:63,000Year:Oct 2001Fuel:PetrolTransmission:AutomaticView detailsColour: Finished in Metallic Platinum ice with Beige Rushmore Leather interiorLocation:CardiffBody style:Saloon LS 430 4.3 £16,000 Registration:LT54VUBMileage:36,715Year:Sep 2004Fuel:PetrolTransmission:AutomaticView detailsColour: Finished in Metallic Palladio silver with Grey Sussex Leather interiorLocation:TwickenhamBody style:Saloon LS 430 4.3 £14,990 Registration:DG04DFFMileage:48,100Year:Mar 2004Fuel:PetrolTransmission:AutomaticView detailsColour: Finished in Metallic Canterbury blue with Grey Leather interiorLocation:ChesterBody style:Saloon LS 430 4.3 £13,850 Registration:LA04CEKMileage:38,000Year:Jun 2004Fuel:PetrolTransmission:AutomaticView detailsColour: Finished in Metallic Palladio silver with Black Rushmore Leather interiorLocation:Milton KeynesBody style:Saloon Used LS 430 4.3 CarsISGSLSRXSCHomeApproved pre-owned homeUSED LS 430 CARSFollow us © 2010 Toyota (GB) PLC - Lexus Division.Technology GlossaryHelpLegalSitemapContact usCloseLoading....LEXUSInvalid SearchYou must enter a valid postcode and also select at least one model to perform a search.ContinueLEXUSCompare Limit ReachedYou can only have a maximum of 3 vehicles in your compare collection, adding another will remove one already in your collection.CancelContinueLEXUSTechnology Glossary || LS 430 4.3 Approved Pre-Owned from LexusWelcome Lexus UserNot you? click hereNot you? click hereMy AccountVehicle comparison (0)Search results Vehicle detailsUpdate current search settings£6,995Compare vehicleAdd to favouritesRegistration:YM51RXJDate:Sep 2001Colour:Platinum IceInterior:Ivory - Rutland LeatherMileage:66,700Transmission:AutomaticFuel type:PetrolMPG:23.5 MPG (Combined)CO2 Emissions:289 g/km [information]OfferNegotiateGet a finance quoteGet an insurance quoteLexus approved benefitsEquipmentAccessoriesSpecificationActive safety & driving dynamics opencloseAnti-Lock Braking System (ABS) Ultrasonic Parking Sensors Automatic Gearbox Speed Sensitive Power Steering Adaptive Air Suspension Intelligent Adaptive Front-Lighting System (AFS) [more information]Passive safety opencloseMultiple Airbags Automatic Headlights Automatic Wipers Security opencloseAnti-Theft System And Immobiliser Remote Central Door Locking Exterior openclose17" Alloy Wheels Soft Close Doors & Bootlid Front Fog Lights Wood Trim Premium Pack Audio, communication & information openclose11 Speaker Stereo System Multi CD Player Interior comfort & convenience opencloseDVD Navigation System [more information]Cruise Control Automatic Climate Control Air Conditioning System On Board Computer Electrically Adjustable Front Seats With Air Conditioning Electric Windows Wood Trim Steering Wheel Massaging Rear Seats Smart Keyless Entry And Start System Heated Front And Rear Seats Leather Upholstery Electric Sunroof Electrically Adjustable And Folding Mirrors Adjustable Steering Wheel Rear Cool Box Drinks Holders Front And Rear Electric Lumbar Adjustment Driver And Passenger Memory Seats Manual Rear Side Window Blinds And Rear Electric Blind SpecificationAccessoriesEquipmentPerformance opencloseMaximum Speed:155 mphAcceleration (0-60mph):6.7 secsMax Torque: NmCubic Capacity:4293 ccHorse Power:280 PSEconomy opencloseMPG (Urban):16.1 mpgMPG (Extra Urban):31.7 mpgMPG (Combined):23.5 mpgLitres/Km (Urban):18 l/kmLitres/Km (Extra Urban):9 l/kmLitres/Km (Combined):12 l/kmTank Capacity: lEnvironment opencloseCO2 Emissions:289 g/kmNoise Level:72 dbEngine opencloseCylinders:V8 Camshaft:DOHC No of Valves:32 AccessoriesSpecificationEquipmentLS 430 Mud flaps£194.76The mud flaps are uniquely styled for the LS's front and rear wheel arches They reduce spray on wet roads and help protect paintwork from mud and stone chip damage.LS 430 Rear Bumper Protection Film£68.08Ideal for protecting rear bumper paintwork against scratching when loading or unloading the boot The protection film is transparent, self-adhesive and custom shaped for a perfect fit.LS 430 Tracker Vehicle locator£259.00The superb TRACKER© system offers you a choice of stolen vehicle tracking solutions to suit your needs and budget.Previous accessoryNext accessory0/0Centre detailsLexus Sheffield 455 Penistone RoadSouth YorkshireSheffieldS6 2FL 0843 224 2966Email:lexus-sheffield@lexus.co.ukWeb:www.lexus.co.uk/sheffieldSend an enquiry to centreEmail vehicle to a friendSend to mobileWhilst every effort has been taken to ensure accuracy of the above information, some inaccuracies may occur. 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One of the most remarkable features of the system is the regenerative braking. When the brakes are applied, the electric motor(s) acts as a generator, capturing kinetic energy otherwise lost as heat, and transferring it to the battery which never needs an external recharge. The breathtaking performance of the hybrid vehicle when it accelerates from cruising speed is due to the electric motor(s) supplementing the petrol engine to give a dramatic surge of acceleration just when you need it. LexusExtended WarrantyApproved Pre-OwnedAPPROVED PRE-OWNED PROGRAMME BENEFITSLexusCO2 emissions chartVehicle detailsLexus LS 430 4.3Registration:YM51RXJPrice:£6,995CO2 emission figures (g/km)M289 g/kmDisclaimerThe figure shown is based on this vehicle type when new. It is intended to provide a standard figure for comparison purposes only and does not represent the average that will be achieved on the road. 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For an exact figure please contact your local Lexus Centre who can confirm by the V5 documentation of the vehicle.Start a new searchQuick searchQuick searchModel(s):Please selectIS£5,750 to £52,500Stock levelAll modelsCurrent models:IS 200d£27,990 to £31,000Stock level2.2TD F-Sport2.2TD SE2.2TD SE-IIS 250£8,980 to £33,000Stock level2.52.5 F-Sport2.5 SE2.5 SE-I2.5 SE-L2.5 Sport2.5 SRIS 250C£27,995 to £39,995Stock level2.5 SE-I2.5 SE-LIS F£29,850 to £52,500Stock level5.0Previous models:IS 200 Saloon£5,750 to £9,000Stock level2.02.0 Limited Edition2.0 S2.0 SE2.0 SportIS 200 Estate£7,900Stock level2.0 SportCrossIS 220d£9,495 to £30,500Stock level2.2TD2.2TD F-Sport2.2TD SE2.2TD SE-I2.2TD SE-L2.2TD SportIS 300 Saloon£7,450 to £7,995Stock level3.03.0 Limited EditionIS 300 EstateCurrently out of stockStock level3.0 SportCrossExplore the IS model rangeGS£8,995 to £50,000Stock levelAll modelsCurrent models:GS 450h£14,990 to £50,000Stock level3.53.5 SE3.5 SE-L3.5 SportPrevious models:GS 300£8,995 to £21,000Stock level3.03.0 Legato3.0 Limited Edition3.0 S3.0 SE3.0 SE-L3.0 SportGS 430£12,450Stock level4.34.3 SE4.3 SportGS 460Currently out of stockStock level4.6Explore the GS model rangeLS£6,995 to £87,995Stock levelAll modelsCurrent models:LS 600h£34,850 to £87,995Stock level5.05.0 LPrevious models:LS 400Currently out of stockStock level4.0LS 430£6,995 to £16,000Stock level4.3LS 460£23,850 to £40,000Stock level4.64.6 SE4.6 SE-LExplore the LS model rangeRX£11,950 to £58,000Stock levelAll modelsCurrent models:RX 450h£37,995 to £58,000Stock level3.5 SE3.5 SE-I3.5 SE-L3.5 SE-L PremierPrevious models:RX 300£11,950 to £16,000Stock level3.03.0 Limited Edition3.0 SE3.0 SE-LRX 350£15,490 to £22,995Stock level3.53.5 Limited Edition3.5 SE3.5 SE-LRX 400h£14,980 to £31,995Stock level3.33.3 Executive Limited Edition3.3 Limited Edition3.3 SE3.3 SE-L3.3 SRExplore the RX model rangeSC£9,850 to £30,000Stock levelAll modelsPrevious models:SC 430£9,850 to £30,000Stock level4.3Explore the SC model rangePostcode:Search Advanced searchSet-up a new personalised, multi model, search.Advanced searchISGSLSRXSCHomeApproved pre-owned homeLS 430 4.3 Follow us © 2010 Toyota (GB) PLC - Lexus Division.Technology GlossaryHelpLegalSitemapContact usCloseLoading....LEXUSInvalid SearchYou must enter a valid postcode and also select at least one model to perform a search.ContinueLEXUSCompare Limit ReachedYou can only have a maximum of 3 vehicles in your compare collection, adding another will remove one already in your collection.CancelContinueLEXUSTechnology Glossary || Lexus LS From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Lexus LS Manufacturer Toyota Motor Corporation Also called Toyota Celsior (JDM) Production 1989–present Assembly Tahara, Aichi, Japan Class Full-size luxury car Body style(s) 4-door sedan Layout Front engine, rear-wheel drive Front engine, all-wheel drive The Lexus LS is a full-size luxury sedan that serves as the flagship model of Lexus, the luxury division of Toyota. Four generations of the sedan have been produced, all equipped with V8 engines and rear-wheel drive. Since 2006, all-wheel drive, hybrid, and long-wheelbase variants have also been offered. The original Lexus LS 400, the first Lexus to be developed, was introduced as the premium marque's debut model in 1989. Following the initial model, subsequent redesigns included the second-generation LS 400 in 1995, LS 430 in 2001, and the LS 460/LS 460 L series in 2006. A domestic-market version of the LS 400 and LS 430, badged the Toyota Celsior, was sold in Japan until the Lexus marque was introduced to the country in 2006. For the 2007 model year, the fourth-generation LS 460 debuted the first production eight-speed automatic transmission and an automatic parking system. In 2007, V8 hybrid powertrains were introduced on the LS 600h/LS 600h L sedans. The Lexus LS began development in 1983 as the F1 project, the code name for a secret flagship sedan effort. Following an extended five-year design process at a cost of over US$1 billion, the resulting sedan premiered with a new V8 engine and multiple luxury features. The Lexus LS was intended for export markets from its inception, and the Lexus division was formed to market and service the vehicle internationally. The original LS 400 debuted to strong sales, and was largely responsible for the successful launch of the Lexus marque. Each successive iteration of the vehicle has ranked as the best-selling flagship luxury sedan in the United States. Since the start of production, each generation of the Lexus LS has been produced in the city of Tahara, Aichi, in Japan. In U.S. consumer publications, Lexus' flagship model is recognized as one of the most reliable vehicles ever built, having held the top ranking in J.D. Power and Associates' U.S. Vehicle Dependability Survey for fifteen consecutive years (1994–2009), and receiving Consumer Reports' highest rankings for vehicle dependability. Contents 1 First generation (XF10) 1.1 1989–1992 1.2 1992–1994 2 Second generation (XF20) 2.1 1994–1997 2.2 1997–2000 3 Third generation (XF30) 3.1 2000–2003 3.2 2003–2007 4 Fourth generation (XF40) 4.1 2006–2009 4.2 2009–present 5 Manufacturing 6 Industrial significance 7 Sales and production 8 Technical specifications 9 Awards 10 References 10.1 Notes 10.2 Bibliography 11 External links [edit] First generation (XF10) First generation (LS 400) Also called Toyota Celsior (JDM) Production 1989–1994 Model year(s) 1990–1994 Engine(s) 4.0 L 1UZ-FE V8 Transmission(s) 4-speed A341E automatic Wheelbase 2,814 mm (110.8 in) Length 4,996 mm (196.7 in) Width 1,821–1,829 mm (71.7–72.0 in) Height 1,405–1,415 mm (55.3–55.7 in) Curb weight 1,705–1,750 kg (3,760–3,900 lb) [edit] 1989–1992 In August 1983, Toyota chairman Eiji Toyoda initiated the F1 project ("Flagship" and "No. 1 vehicle"; alternatively called the "Circle-F" project), a clandestine effort aimed at producing a world-class luxury sedan for international markets.[1][2] The F1 development effort did not have a specific budget or time constraints, and the resulting vehicle did not utilize existing Toyota platforms or parts.[3][4] Instead, chief engineer Ichiro Suzuki sought to develop an all-new design, aiming to surpass rival American and European flagship sedans in specific target areas, including aerodynamics, cabin quietness, overall top speed, and fuel efficiency.[5] During development, 3,900 F1 personnel built approximately 450 flagship prototypes and 900 engine prototypes[6] and logged 2.7 million kilometres of testing on locations ranging from winter Europe roadways; deserts in Arizona, Australia, and Saudi Arabia; to U.S. highways and wilderness areas.[7][8] An early Lexus LS design sketch. In late 1985, designers presented the first exterior study models to F1 management, featuring a sports car-like design with a low-slung hood and narrow front profile.[9] By 1986, the sedan used a three box design with an upright stance, more prominent grille, and a two-tone body.[9] Extensive modeling and wind tunnel tests resulted in a low drag coefficient for a conventional production vehicle of the time (Cd 0.29).[10] For the passenger cabin, materials selection tests evaluated 24 different kinds of wood and multiple types of leather for two years before settling on specific trim combinations.[11] By 1986, the Lexus marque was created to support the launch of the flagship sedan,[12] and the vehicle became known as the Lexus LS.[7] Following eight design reviews, subsequent revisions, and over US$1 billion in development expenses, the final design for the production Lexus LS 400 (chassis code UCF10) was approved in 1987.[6] In January 1989, the LS 400 made its debut as a 1990 model at the North American International Auto Show, in Detroit, Michigan.[13] U.S. sales began in September 1989, followed by limited exports to Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom.[14] The LS 400's new 4.0 liter 1UZ-FE 32-valve V8 engine, capable of 190 kilowatts (250 hp) and 353 newton metres (260 ft·lbf) of torque,[15] linked to a new four-speed automatic transmission with electronically controlled shifts.[16] The chassis used an independent, double-wishbone suspension setup,[17] and an air suspension system was optional.[18] The LS 400's 0–100 kilometres per hour (62 mph) time was 8.5 seconds, and its top speed was 250 kilometres per hour (160 mph).[19] Compared to the rival target BMW 735i (E32) and Mercedes-Benz 420 SE (W126), the LS 400 had a quieter cabin, with 58 dB at 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph); a higher top speed; a lower drag coefficient and curb weight; and it avoided the U.S. gas-guzzler tax.[20][21][22] First-generation LS 400 cabin (UCF10). The LS 400 was among the first luxury sedans to feature an automatic tilt-and-telescoping steering wheel with SRS airbag, power adjustable shoulder seat belts, and an electrochromic rear-view mirror.[23][24] The five-passenger cabin included California walnut and leather trim, power-adjustable seats, and soft-touch controls. A back-lit electroluminescent gauge cluster featured a holographic visual effect, with indicator lights projected onto the instrument panel.[23][25] The memory system stored the driver's seat, side mirror, steering wheel, and seat belt positions. Available luxury options included a Nakamichi premium sound system and an integrated cellular telephone with hands-free capabilities.[16][26][27] The LS 400 further contained some 300 technological innovations to aid smooth operation and silence,[16] including fluid-damped cabin fixtures,[28] vibration-insulating rubber mounts,[29] airflow fairings,[30] and sandwich steel body panels.[29] 1990–1992 Lexus LS 400 (UCF10R; Australia). In Japan, the launch of Lexus was complicated by Toyota's existing five domestic dealership networks,[31] several of which sold Japan-only luxury models, including the Toyota Crown and Toyota Crown Majesta.[32] During the LS 400's development, local dealers' requests for a Japanese domestic market version had grown,[9] and a right-hand-drive Toyota Celsior-badged version was introduced shortly after the LS 400's U.S. debut.[33] The Celsior, named after the Latin word for "supreme", was largely identical to the LS.[33] Models came in either basic "A", upgraded suspension "B", or fully equipped "C" trim specifications,[34] and were sold at dealerships which also carried Japan-only Toyota luxury models.[32] Adding incentive for early U.S. sales was a base price of US$35,000, which undercut competitors by thousands of dollars[35] and brought accusations of selling below cost from rival BMW.[16] In December 1989, shortly after the LS 400's launch, Lexus ordered a voluntary recall of the 8,000 vehicles sold so far, based upon two customer complaints over defective wiring and an overheated brake light. All vehicles were serviced within 20 days, and the incident helped establish Lexus' customer service reputation.[16][36][37] By 1990, U.S. sales of the LS 400 had surpassed those of competing Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Jaguar models.[38] Production of the first-generation LS 400 totaled over 165,000 units.[39] Years after its introduction, the LS 400 remained a reliable choice for a used car, making Consumer Reports' 2007 list of recommended vehicles that regularly last 320,000 km (200,000 mi) or more with proper maintenance.[40] 1992–1994 Lexus LS 400 (UCF10). [edit] 1992–1994 Debuting in September 1992 as a 1993 model, the refreshed LS 400 was introduced with more than 50 changes, largely in response to customer and dealer requests.[41] The vehicle received larger disc brakes, wheels, and tires, and adjustments were made to the suspension and power steering systems to improve handling.[42] Stylistic changes included additional body side moldings and a revised grille, along with a greater selection of colors.[42] For the interior, passenger front airbags, an external temperature gauge, digital odometer, seat belt pretensioners, and chlorofluorocarbon-free refrigerant were added.[42][43] By 1994, the LS 400's U.S. base price exceeded US$50,000, a figure that had steadily risen since the vehicle's introduction. Customer demand for the vehicle and shifts in foreign exchange rates contributed to the increase in price.[44] [edit] Second generation (XF20) Second generation (LS 400) Also called Toyota Celsior (JDM) Production 1994–2000 Model year(s) 1995–2000 Engine(s) 4.0 L 1UZ-FE V8 Transmission(s) 4-speed A340E automatic 5-speed A650E automatic Wheelbase 2,850 mm (112.2 in) Length 4,996 mm (196.7 in) Width 1,829 mm (72.0 in) Height 1,420–1,435 mm (55.9–56.5 in) Curb weight 1,659–1,764 kg (3,660–3,890 lb) [edit] 1994–1997 The second-generation Lexus LS 400 (UCF20) debuted in November 1994 (for the 1995 model year) with a longer wheelbase and similar specifications as the original model. The public unveiling of the vehicle occurred in a gala ceremony held at the San Francisco Opera House in California.[45] The sedan was equipped with an updated 4.0 liter 1UZ-FE V8 engine, producing 194 kilowatts (260 hp) and 366 newton metres (270 ft·lbf) of torque.[46] Internally, over 90% of the redesigned LS 400's composition was new or redesigned,[46] with increased sound insulation, a strengthened body structure, suspension updates, and improved brakes.[46] The redesigned model was 95 kg (210 lb) lighter than its predecessor and achieved slightly better fuel economy.[46] The 0–100 kilometres per hour (62 mph) time improved to 7.5 seconds.[47] 1994–1996 Lexus LS 400 (UCF20). The second-generation LS 400 was designed from early 1991 to the third-quarter of 1994.[48][49] Given the first-generation model's successful reception and high level of customer satisfaction with its design, replicating the original LS 400's attributes with its successor was one of chief engineer Kazuo Okamoto's primary goals (he stated that "a tradition cannot be founded if you reject the first generation").[48] Externally, the most significant change was a increase in wheelbase length of 36 mm (1.4 in), resulting in more interior space and an additional 66 mm (2.6 in) of rear seat legroom.[46] However, as the overall length remained the same, trunk capacity was slightly reduced.[46] The more aerodynamic body (Cd 0.28) retained the general profile and contours of the original LS 400[42][48] and was the work of the Calty Design Research center in the U.S.[48] Designers had evaluated 20 competing concepts, including several with a radically changed body,[48] before selecting a winning entry that included similar forms and contours as the original LS 400.[48] An evolutionary redesign was the ultimate result, with new design features consisting of sharper angles, curved body lines, and a beveled grille.[50] More prominent side lines provided a reference point for parking maneuvers, and forward visibility was improved.[50] Second-generation LS 400 cabin (UCF20). The redesigned LS 400 interior received upgraded features, varying from dual-zone climate controls to rear cupholders.[42] A newly patented seat cushion design, similar to the car's suspension, utilized lightweight internal coil springs and stabilizer bars to improve comfort.[46] One of the first in-dash CD changers was offered as an option.[46] Safety enhancements included enlarged crumple zones, three-point seat belts at all positions, and a new collapsible steering column.[46] In Japan, the Toyota Celsior equivalents were offered in the same "A", "B", and top-spec "C" configurations as before, along with an additional selection of exterior colors.[51] Several optional features, such as a compact disc-based Global Positioning System (GPS) navigation system and reclining rear seats, were available only in Japan.[52] 1994–1997 Toyota Celsior (UCF20; Japan). At its U.S. debut, the redesigned LS 400 retained a pricing advantage over European competitors in its largest market, launching with a base price of US$51,000.[46] However, cost differences had narrowed following more aggressive pricing and added feature content from rival manufacturers.[48] To promote their new flagship, Lexus launched a US$50 million advertising campaign, the most expensive marketing effort since the launch of the division.[48] In mid-1995, sales slowed as the U.S. government threatened tariffs on Japanese luxury cars over the widening U.S.-Japan trade deficit, potentially raising the price of a fully optioned LS 400 to over US$100,000.[53] Subsequent negotiations averted the sanctions by the summer of that year, and sales recovered in the following months.[53] Ultimately, second-generation LS 400 sales were not as voluminous as the original model;[48] production totaled approximately 114,000 units.[39] Production of the second LS 400 followed the same time frame as the original, lasting from 1995 to 2000, with a midcycle refresh in 1998. For 1997, a limited "Coach Edition" LS 400 was produced in partnership with American leather manufacturer Coach Inc. The edition featured Coach leather seats; embroidered emblems on the exterior, floormats, and armrest; special colors and added trim; and a Coach cabin bag. Production was limited to a yearly run of 2,500 units.[54] [edit] 1997–2000 1997–2000 Lexus LS 400. Debuted in September 1997 as a 1998 model, the revised LS 400 was introduced with a five-speed automatic transmission, increased engine output (to 216 kilowatts (290 hp), with variable valve timing (VVT-i), and an added 41 newton metres (30 ft·lbf) of torque.[42] Acceleration times and fuel economy were improved as a result.[42] The suspension and steering also received minor tweaks to improve feel and handling.[55] Stylistically, the vehicle sported a new front fascia, side mirrors, and wheels;[42] a rear windshield diversity antenna replaced the conventional power mast.[55] The cabin received upgrades, including a trip computer, HomeLink, retractable rear headrests, reading lamps, and ultraviolet-tinted glass,[55] while the climate control gained a micron filtration feature with a smog sensor. A hard disk drive-based GPS navigation system became an option in the U.S. Added safety features included front side airbags, vehicle stability control, and in 2000, brake assist.[42] The headlights were also equipped with a programmable delay feature for proximity illumination.[42] In February 2000, the limited "Platinum Series" LS 400 was introduced at the Chicago Auto Show in partnership with American Express. The edition featured most luxury options standard, along with separate exterior colors, wheels, badging, and two years' no-fee use of an American Express Platinum Card.[56][57] [edit] Third generation (XF30) Third generation (LS 430) Also called Toyota Celsior (JDM) Production 2000–2006 Model year(s) 2001–2006 Engine(s) 4.3 L 3UZ-FE V8 Transmission(s) 5-speed A650E automatic 6-speed A761E automatic Wheelbase 2,926 mm (115.2 in) Length 4,996–5,014 mm (196.7–197.4 in) Width 1,829 mm (72.0 in) Height 1,491 mm (58.7 in) Curb weight 1,812–1,810 kg (3,990–4,000 lb) [edit] 2000–2003 The third-generation Lexus LS 430 (UCF30) debuted at the North American International Auto Show in January 2000 as a 2001 model, introducing a new body design and a host of new interior and technological features. The sedan was equipped with a new 4.3 liter 3UZ-FE engine generating 216 kilowatts (290 hp) and 434 newton metres (320 ft·lbf) of torque.[42] The standard suspension had been completely redesigned, with a double-wishbone setup at all four wheels; a Euro-tuned suspension was offered for the first time.[42] A new torque-activated electronic control unit made throttle adjustments based on vehicle speed, engine revolutions per minute, and pedal position.[58] The LS 430 sported a 0–100 kilometres per hour (62 mph) acceleration time of 6.7 seconds.[59] Sales began in October 2000 in the U.S.[60] 2000–2002 Lexus LS 430 (UCF30). Heading into the planning of the LS 430, division executives concluded that the previous LS redesign had been too restrained in its approach.[48] The LS 430 development team, led by chief engineer Yasushi Tanaka, accordingly opted for a more thorough exterior, interior, and technological redevelopment. The development of the LS 430 took four years,[61] from 1996 to completion in late 1999, prior to the model's debut.[61][62] Selected from 16 different prototype designs, the resulting vehicle saw the sedan's dimensions increase in terms of wheelbase and height.[58][63] The exterior featured a larger grille with rounded edges, quarter windows on the rear doors, and rounded trapezoidal headlamps. The body was also more aerodynamic than previous LS sedans (Cd 0.26; 0.25 with air suspension),[60] and was the product of wind tunnel testing at facilities used for Shinkansen bullet train development.[63] A 76 mm (3.0 in) wheelbase stretch resulted in more interior volume and allowed the engine to be positioned further aft for better balance.[64] Trunk space was increased by one-third due to repositioning of the fuel tank.[42] Compared to previous generations, the LS 430 featured a greater number of model configurations and options.[65] While sharing the same body style, variants were differentiated by chassis configuration and onboard equipment. Models with the Euro-tuned sport suspension, sold as the "Touring" package in the U.S.,[66] featured larger, high-speed brakes.[28] These brakes were also standard on European market models.[28] Fully optioned models with height adjustable air suspension, tuned for a combination of soft ride and responsive handling, were sold in the U.S. as the "Ultra Luxury" edition.[66] Third-generation LS 430 cabin (UCF30). The LS 430 interior featured walnut wood trim on the dashboard and upper doors, along with semi-aniline leather and oscillating air conditioning vents.[58][60] A liquid crystal display touchscreen on the center console was incorporated with the DVD-based GPS navigation system, which added voice recognition capability. New options ranged from a Mark Levinson premium sound system to laser cruise control.[58][66] In its highest trim specification, the LS 430 included Lexus Link telematics, power door and trunk closers, heated and cooled front seats, and power reclining massage rear seats equipped with audio controls, power sunshade, a cooler, and air purifier.[42][60] Several rear seat features adopted for the LS 430 had been previously available in Japanese market luxury vehicles.[65] Safety features added to the LS 430 included front and rear side curtain airbags, park sensors, rain-sensing windshield wipers, and electronic brakeforce distribution.[42] The vehicle also gained water repellent windshield and side glass.[42] 2000–2003 Lexus LS 430 (UCF30; Europe). The LS 430 first went on sale in the U.S. with an initial base price of US$55,000, ranging up to US$70,000 when fully equipped.[60] At the high end, the LS 430's pricing encroached on European rivals as Lexus became increasingly able to command higher price premiums for its vehicles.[23] Sales for the LS 430 surpassed the previous generation, and production exceeded 140,000 units.[39] The LS 430 was produced until 2006, marking the last occasion the Lexus flagship was produced in a single body style. In Japan, the equivalent Toyota Celsior was also sold until the 2006 model year, when the long-awaited introduction of Lexus Japan saw the arrival of new generation Lexus models.[67] In every year of production, the LS 430 was the most reliable luxury sedan in the J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Survey (with the early and late models of this series the best performing),[68][69][70] and the highest recorded scorer in the history of J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Survey.[71] Thatcham ratings data via the UK Motor Insurance Repair Research Centre listed the theft-prevention capabilities of the LS 430 as a maximum 5 stars, with the LS 430 being the first automobile to achieve the maximum theft-deterrence rating in 2001.[72][73] 2003–2005 Lexus LS 430. [edit] 2003–2007 The LS 430 update debuted in September 2003 as a 2004 model, introducing a new six-speed automatic transmission and revised styling.[74] The powerplant remained the same as before. Exterior changes included restyled front and rear fascias, redesigned adaptive headlights that swiveled the projector headlamps in the direction of vehicle turns, light-emitting diode (LED) taillights, and different wheels.[74] The interior received knee airbags, lighted rear-seat vanity mirrors, and new trim selections, including bird's eye maple wood.[42] New options included an updated navigation system, Bluetooth, a backup camera, and a pre-collision system. A driver-programmable electronic key feature allowed the vehicle to detect the key fob in the owner's pocket and unlock the doors by touch.[75] [edit] Fourth generation (XF40) Fourth generation (LS 460, LS 600h) Production 2006–present Model year(s) 2007–present Engine(s) 4.6 L 1UR-FE V8 4.6 L 1UR-FSE V8 5.0 L 2UR-FSE V8 Transmission(s) 8-speed AA80E automatic 8-speed L110F CVT Wheelbase 2,969 mm (116.9 in) (SWB) 3,091 mm (121.7 in) (LWB) Length 5,029–5,060 mm (198.0–199.2 in) 5,151–5,179 mm (202.8–203.9 in) Width 1,875 mm (73.8 in) Height 1,466–1,481 mm (57.7–58.3 in) Curb weight 1,925–1,965 kg (4,240–4,330 lb) Main article: Lexus LS (XF40) [edit] 2006–2009 In October 2005, Lexus premiered a gasoline-electric hybrid concept car, the LF-Sh (Lexus Future-Sedan hybrid), at the Tokyo Motor Show in Japan,[76] publicly previewing the next Lexus flagship with a concept version for the first time. Introduced at the 2006 North American International Auto Show for the 2007 model year, the fourth-generation Lexus LS became the first Lexus model to be produced in both standard and long-wheelbase versions. Based on the LF-Sh concept and using an all-new platform,[77][78] the LS 460 (USF40) uses the standard 2,969 mm (116.9 in) wheelbase, while the LS 460 L (USF41) features a stretched 3,091 mm (121.7 in) wheelbase.[79] The fourth-generation models' technical specifications were shown in greater detail at the Geneva Motor Show in February 2006.[80] A hybrid version, LS 600h L (UVF46), was previewed at the New York International Auto Show in April 2006.[81] The Lexus LF-Sh concept at the 2005 Tokyo Motor Show. The LS 460 and LS 460 L are both equipped with a new 4.6 liter 1UR-FSE V8 producing 283 kilowatts (380 hp) and 498 newton metres (367 ft·lbf) of torque,[79][82] coupled to the first production eight-speed automatic transmission.[83] The previous double-wishbone front suspension was replaced with a multilink design.[84] Acceleration from 0–100 kilometres per hour (62 mph) is listed at 5.7 seconds.[85] The LS 460 L matches the acceleration of the lighter LS 460 despite added curb weight,[86] 40 kg (88 lb) more than the standard-length model. The development of the LS 460 and its variants, led by chief engineer Moritaka Yoshida,[87] began as Lexus was shifting its design strategy towards a more diversified product lineup,[88] with new-vehicle launches largely focused on global markets.[88] Plans called for the next-generation LS to differentiate itself further beyond previous models in terms of design and technology.[82] A "Super LS" model, priced above the US$100,000 ultra-luxury category,[89] was also considered.[88] Externally, the Lexus LS received the styling cues of Lexus' new design direction, called L-finesse.[90] First shown on the LF-Sh concept, the vehicle gained body forms running the length of the car, wheel arches, arrow-shaped chrome trim, a lower-set grille, and crystalline adaptive headlamps.[90] Fourth-generation LS 460 cabin (USF40). The LS 460 interior gained a push-button start, thin-film transistor instrument display, and numerous luxury options, ranging from a hard disk drive-based GPS navigation system and song library to a heated steering wheel and XM NavTraffic.[79] Standard equipment included power 16-way driver and 12-way front passenger seats with lumbar adjustment and seat heaters, leather upholstery, premium sound system, power moonroof, and trunk pass-through.[79] The climate control offered the first infrared body temperature sensors and ceiling air diffusers in an automobile.[91] An "Executive" seating package on the LS 460 L included a rear-seat DVD entertainment system, swivel tray table, and a shiatsu massaging ottoman seat.[79][92] The long-wheelbase Lexus LS 460 L (USF41). The addition of an automated parallel parking assist feature, the first of its kind in the U.S., allowed the LS 460 to steer itself into preselected parking spaces.[93] Other drive-assist features included a brake-hold system, radar cruise control, electric variable gear ratio power steering, and electronically controlled braking.[79] The new stability control system was improved to anticipate skids and alter steering assist and gear ratios. The suite of new safety features extended from a eye-tracking driver monitoring system to a lane departure warning system.[94][95] The pre-collision system added the first production image processing chip in a car capable of identifying vehicles and pedestrians in real time,[96][97] along with millimeter-wavelength radar, stereo cameras, and infrared night vision projectors.[96] A rear pre-collision system with whiplash-preventing active seat headrests and dual-chamber front airbags was also introduced.[94][98] The LS 460 and LS 460 L arrived at dealerships in Japan, the U.S., and Europe in late 2006,[99] and the vehicle reached Australia, East Asia, and the Middle East in 2007.[100] The U.S. base prices for the 2007 LS 460 and LS 460 L were US$61,000 and US$71,000, respectively.[92] In 2006 and 2007, the average price paid for U.S. market LS 460 L sedans exceeded US$80,000, due largely to added options packages, placing the Lexus LS in the same average price range as its long-wheelbase Audi, BMW, and Jaguar rivals for the first time.[92] Lexus LS 600h L hybrid (UVF46). After debuting a hybrid powertrain with the 2005 LF-Sh concept, Lexus began sales of the LS 600h L (UVF46), the first production V8-powered full-hybrid vehicle,[101] in 2007 for the 2008 model year. The long-wheelbase LS 600h L is equipped with Lexus Hybrid Drive, featuring a 5.0 liter 2UR-FSE V8 engine mated to a high-output electric motor with nickel-metal hydride battery packs.[87] This system uses a continuously variable transmission and generates an output of 327 kilowatts (439 hp).[87] Fuel economy is slightly higher overall than the lower-powered non-hybrid LS, and the hybrids achieve a U.S. Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV) rating.[102][103] Features specific to the LS hybrids include the first production low beam LED headlights, a leather-trimmed dash, and blue-tinted hybrid badging.[81] In April 2007, Lexus announced that the base price for the LS 600h L would be over US$104,000,[104] surpassing the V12-equipped Toyota Century as the most expensive Japanese luxury car ever produced.[104] A standard-wheelbase version destined for Asia and Europe, the LS 600h (UVF45), was launched in Japan in April 2006.[105] The first 100 LS 600h L sedans sold in the U.S. were offered as "Launch Edition" models via the Neiman Marcus catalog for InCircle members.[106] In 2008, all-wheel drive versions of the non-hybrid LS 460 (USF45) and LS 460 L (USF46) models premiered at the Moscow International Motor Show.[107] Debuting at the 2008 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance,[108] the LS 600h L "Pebble Beach Edition", limited to 50 units, was produced in partnership with the Pebble Beach Company.[109] A specialized Lexus LS 460 was installed as a driving simulator at Toyota's Higashifuji Technical Center, in Shizuoka, Japan, for automotive safety testing,[110] and in 2009 at Tokyo's Intelligent Transport Systems (ITS-Safety) exhibition, the LS 460 ITS-Safety concept was unveiled showing road-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-vehicle information-exchange technologies.[111] [edit] 2009–present Lexus LS 460 Sport Debuting in late 2009 for the 2010 model year, the revised LS 460 and LS 460 L included restyled front and rear fascias, side mirror turn signals, and new wheel designs.[112] New technology included automatic high beam lights and a self-repairing clear coat for the exterior paint.[113][114] The standard cabin received additional chrome trim, an optional DVD entertainment system behind the center armrest, and in certain markets, an all-digital instrument panel with night vision capability.[112] The LS 460 Sport—a performance variant equipped with a sport-tuned air suspension, Brembo brakes, forged wheels, paddle shifters, body kit, and a unique interior—was added.[112][113] The Sport model received the Sport Direct Shift transmission, also found in the Lexus IS F, with downshift rev-matching capability and manual mode.[115] A new interior customization program, "L-Select", also became available for LS customers in Japan.[112] [edit] Manufacturing Further information: Tahara plant The Lexus LS has been consistently produced on dedicated Lexus assembly lines at Toyota's flagship Tahara factory,[116] located in the city of Tahara, in Aichi Prefecture, Chūbu region, southwest of Nagoya, since 1989.[82][117] Tahara remains the sole production site, having inaugurated its new line number four specifically for assembly of the original LS 400.[118] Lexus LS UZ V8 engine exhibit at the California Science Center For the Lexus LS, the Tahara plant developed new molds and enhanced assembly techniques[119][120] and instituted measures aimed at increasing the precision of the sedan's fit and finish.[13] The 1989 LS 400 became the first production automobile to receive extensive laser welding,[119][121] allowing for seamless steel welds.[120] A large sheet metal press was developed to reduce or eliminate panel gaps by stamping large sections whole instead of singly.[120] Separately installed parts, such as exterior lights, were also spring loaded for a tighter fit.[121] On the LS 400, engineers reduced door panel gaps in half versus Toyota-brand vehicles, from 7 mm (0.28 in) to 4 mm (0.16 in),[120] with measurements made within 0.01 millimetres (0.00039 in);[60] on the LS 430, measurement margins were increased tenfold, to 0.001 mm (3.9×10−5 in).[60][122] When production switched to the LS 460, the number of laser welds was doubled.[123] Despite Tahara's large-scale automation, Lexus LS production also involves specialized personnel who are tasked with key production points, such as testing each vehicle's V8 engine via dynamometer and stethoscope for calibration before installation.[82][124] With the LS 460, a hand-sanded paint process was introduced.[82] The production standards used on the Lexus LS were eventually adopted by the manufacturer for other vehicles; in 2007, the assembly of Toyota Corolla economy cars used the same panel gap measurements as the LS 400 did eighteen years earlier.[125] [edit] Industrial significance LS 400 cutaway model displaying internal construction at the Wroughton Classic. The Lexus LS marked the first successful entrant of a Japanese manufacturer into the prestige luxury arena,[38] a market that had long been dominated by established European and American brands. By 1991, with the LS 400 its top-selling model,[126] Lexus had overtaken Mercedes-Benz and BMW in overall U.S. sales,[127] and in 2000, the marque passed Cadillac as the luxury sales leader in the largest automotive market.[128] Rival manufacturers responded with lower prices and added features.[129] In particular, Mercedes-Benz reorganized its operations, shifting to a targeted-cost process similar to Lexus production methods,[130] and dropped competing U.S. base prices by nearly 10%.[131] To rival the LS 400,[132] extra features were rushed for the launch of the 1991 Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W140),[130][133] causing budget overruns and costing the job of Daimler-Benz's chief engineer, Wolfgang Peter.[132] Approximately 5% of 1989 LS 400 sales went to buyers employed by rival manufacturers, including GM, Ford, and Chrysler.[126] When the LS 400 was disassembled for engineering analysis, Cadillac engineers concluded that the vehicle could not be built using existing GM methods.[134] Industry publications noted the LS 400's precise panel gaps, and the subject became a common evaluation standard in road tests.[132] The LS 430's interior noise level was later used as a measure of cabin quiet.[135] According to industry observers, the introduction of the Lexus LS reshaped Toyota's image from that of an "econobox" manufacturer to the builder of an automotive standard bearer.[136][137] This stood in contrast to the predictions of early detractors, including rival manufacturers who dismissed Toyota as incapable of producing a competitive luxury vehicle.[137] Japanese contemporaries from the luxury divisions of Honda (Acura) and Nissan (Infiniti) had differing degrees of success.[138] Honda had entered into a joint venture with Britain's Austin Rover Group in November 1981, launching Project XX with an Austin Rover–Honda XX letter of intent to replace the Rover SD1 with the Rover 800 and to provide a midsize, V6-powered luxury sedan for Honda, called the Honda Legend.[139] Marketed as the Acura Legend in the U.S., the sedan initially sold well, but subsequent models (renamed Acura RL) performed below sales expectations.[140][141] Launched by Nissan in December 1989, the V8-powered Infiniti Q45 closely rivaled the LS 400 in specifications and price,[142] but was unsuccessful in sales (attributed to unconventional styling and marketing), leading to its discontinuation in 2006.[143] The success of the Lexus LS became a test case for mainstream manufacturers targeting upscale segments. By investing in a separate marque, Toyota was able to avoid the stigma attached to a mass-market brand's charging premium prices.[144] The effect of the LS 400 on the automotive industry led Automobile Magazine to add the sedan to its "24 Most Important Vehicles of the 20th Century" list in 1996.[145] [edit] Sales and production LS 460 lineup filmed at Crystal Palace, London 2010 Lexus LS 460 L AWD (USF46; North America) 2010 Lexus LS 600h L (UVF46; Japan) In its largest market, the U.S., the Lexus LS was the top-selling flagship luxury sedan for 15 of the first 17 years following its debut.[83][146] In Japan, the next-largest market for the Lexus LS, the introduction of the 2007 LS 460 attracted 12,000 pre-orders,[67] and the Lexus LS has gone on to sell successfully in its class.[147] Following the introduction of the LS 460 and Lexus' expanded global launch in 2007,[148] sales of the Lexus flagship have increasingly come from outside the brand's traditional U.S. strongholds. By 2007, the Lexus LS ranked second globally in flagship sales, next to the Mercedes-Benz S-Class' 85,500 units, with 71,760 Lexus LS sedans sold worldwide,[149] and over half the total coming from outside the U.S. market.[150] In 2008, U.S. sales fell 42% amidst the late-2000s recession, mirroring the overall decline of the luxury car market.[151] The Lexus LS has not sold as well in Europe, where Lexus suffers from smaller brand recognition, image, and a less-developed dealership network.[152] In European markets such as the Czech Republic, the Lexus LS has ranked behind Mercedes-Benz, Audi, and BMW in flagship luxury car sales.[153] Automotive analysts have suggested a possible rationale for the sales disparity, in that European buyers place less emphasis on vehicle reliability and have more brand loyalty to established domestic marques.[152] In contrast, the Lexus LS has ranked second in sales to the Mercedes-Benz S-Class (and ahead of rivals from BMW, Audi, and Jaguar) in markets outside Europe, such as South Africa.[154] Sales and production totals Chassis code Model no. Calendar year Total sales, U.S.† (global‡) Total exports, production‡ UCF10 LS 400 1990 42,806†[155] 41,901[39] 1991 36,955†[155] 41,228[39] 1992 32,561†[155] 32,472[39] 1993 23,783†[156] 28,187[39] 1994 22,443†[156] 21,390[39] UCF20 LS 400 1995 23,657†[157] 22,433[39] 1996 22,237†[158] 22,810[39] 1997 19,618†[159] 17,782[39] 1998 20,790†[63] 22,730[39] 1999 16,357†[63] 17,198[39] 2000 15,871†[160] 11,098[39] UCF30 LS 430 2001 31,110†[161] 31,473[39] 2002 26,261†[162] 27,033[39] 2003 23,895†[163] 21,461[39] 2004 32,272†[164] 31,697[39] 2005 26,043†[164] 28,902[39] 2006 19,546†[165] (34,833‡)[149] 30,908‡[166] USF40/41 UVF45/46 LS 460/460 L LS 600h/600h L 2007 35,226†[167] (71,760‡)[149] 72,279‡[168] 2008 20,255†[167] 31,823‡[169] 2009 11,334†[170] 18,369‡[171] [edit] Technical specifications Model configurations by region Chassis code Model no. Model year(s) Drivetrain Transmission Engine type Engine code Region(s) USF40 LS 460 2007– RWD/AWD 8-speed automatic 4.6 L petrol V8 1UR-FSE United States,[79] Canada,[172] Japan,[173] Europe[85] 1UR-FE Middle East[174] USF41 LS 460 L 1UR-FSE United States,[79] Canada,[172] Japan[173] 1UR-FE Middle East[174] UVF45 LS 600h 2008– AWD CVT 5.0 L hybrid V8 2UR-FSE Japan,[173] Europe[85] UVF46 LS 600h L United States,[87] Canada,[172] Japan,[173] Europe[85] Drivetrain specifications by generation 1990-1994 1995–1997 1998–2000 2001–2006 2006– 2007– Engine 4.0 L V8 4.0 L V8 4.0 L V8 4.3 L V8 4.6 L V8 5.0 L V8 hybrid Gears 4 4 5 5–6 8 CVT Power 190 kW (250 hp)[175] 194 kW (260 hp)[176] 216 kW (290 hp)[177] 216 kW (290 hp)[178] 283 kW (380 hp)[79] 327 kW (439 hp)[87] Torque 353 N·m (260 ft·lbf) @4400 rpm[175] 366 N·m (270 ft·lbf) @4500 rpm[176] 407 N·m (300 ft·lbf) @4000 rpm[177] 434 N·m (320 ft·lbf) @3400 rpm[178] 498 N·m (367 ft·lbf) @4100 rpm[79] 520 N·m (380 ft·lbf) @4000 rpm [edit] Awards See also: List of awards won by the Lexus LS (XF40) Notable examples of awards received by the Lexus LS include World Car of the Year (2007 WCOTY),[179] International Car of the Year (2007 ICOTY),[180] Japan Car of the Year (2006–2007 JCOTY),[181] Canadian Car of the Year,[182] Wheels Car of the Year,[183] and Top Gear Limousine of the Year.[184] The Lexus LS has been the highest-rated luxury car in Automobile Magazine,[185] Car and Driver,[186][187] Consumer Reports,[188][189] Fleet World,[190] and MotorWeek.[191] In J.D. Power's long-term Vehicle Dependability Study, the Lexus LS has been the most reliable car for fifteen consecutive years,[192][193][194] the most for any manufacturer,[195][196][197] and Consumer Reports has ranked the sedan as the most reliable vehicle tested.[198][199][200][201] Safety awards include Auto Bild's 2007 Innovation Prize for the LS 460 pre-collision system,[202] consecutive first place rankings in the What Car? Security Supertest,[203][204] and Kiplinger's "Best in Safety for Cars $40,000 and Over".[205] Technical honors range from Ward's 10 Best Engines,[206][207] to Edmunds.com's "Best Sound System in Cars Over $30,000",[208] and the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) 2007 "Best Engineered Vehicle" award.[209] [edit] References [edit] Notes ^ Dawson, Chester (2004), Lexus: The Relentless Pursuit. John Wiley & Sons (Asia) Pte Ltd., Singapore. p. 4. ISBN 0470821108.  ^ May, Matthew E. 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Register Now! Help Search Search section: This topic This forum ForumsMembersHelp Calendar Advanced Lexus Owners Club ForumsMembers Calendar Gallery Lexus Owners Club > Lexus Models > LS 400 / Lexus 430 / Lexus LS460 / Lexus 600h Club Ads (2 Pages) 1 2 → You cannot start a new topic You cannot reply to this topic Approved Used Lexus Ls430 - Missing Service Stamps #1 autobahn Member Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 27-January 08 Gender:Male Location:UK Lexus Model:2005 LS430 Posted 23 September 2010 - 12:15 PM I'm looking to ease myself into the world of Lexus ownership before I hopefully purchase an ISF some time next year. I've seen a Lexus LS430 that I fancy buying. However, the dealer has informed me that 'some' service stamps are missing. It transpires that the car has only one service stamp (10K miles service). The dealer says that he has just carried out 'the major 60K service' so there will be two stamps in the service book. The car is advertised as having done below 40K miles. It is offered with a full Lexus used car warranty and an MOT. Should I walk away or go for it? I'm at a loss as to why a 60K service needs to be carried out on a car that hasn't even done 40K miles yet but am more concerned about missing service stamps from an approved Lexus. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #2 Parthiban Club Post Guru Group: Gold Members Posts: 8,319 Joined: 17-December 02 Location:London, UK Lexus Model:IS200 SE Auto Posted 23 September 2010 - 12:21 PM I don't think I'd buy an LS without service history as if things go wrong they'll be expensive, especially one from a main dealer which you'll be paying a premium for. I didn't even think a Lexus approved car could have no service history? 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #3 SteveLS400 Established Member Group: Members Posts: 519 Joined: 31-October 06 Gender:Male Location:Sleaford Lincs Lexus Model:1995 LS400 MkIII Posted 23 September 2010 - 12:49 PM autobahn, on 23 September 2010 - 12:15 PM, said: I'm at a loss as to why a 60K service needs to be carried out on a car that hasn't even done 40K miles yet but am more concerned about missing service stamps from an approved Lexus. Different services involve different work. You wouldn't change the cambelt at every service, or the coolant or the brake fluid. It will be worthwhile finding out if the 60k service has covered whatever should have been done between the 10k service and now. How old is the car? 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #4 Parthiban Club Post Guru Group: Gold Members Posts: 8,319 Joined: 17-December 02 Location:London, UK Lexus Model:IS200 SE Auto Posted 23 September 2010 - 02:14 PM With regard to the service it's probably the 6yr/60k service, so even if it hasn't done the mileage it's hit 6 years old (assuming it's an 04 car) 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #5 autobahn Member Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 27-January 08 Gender:Male Location:UK Lexus Model:2005 LS430 Posted 23 September 2010 - 03:00 PM Car is a 2005 model, so it's 5 years old. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #6 Parthiban Club Post Guru Group: Gold Members Posts: 8,319 Joined: 17-December 02 Location:London, UK Lexus Model:IS200 SE Auto Posted 23 September 2010 - 03:08 PM autobahn, on 23 September 2010 - 03:00 PM, said: Car is a 2005 model, so it's 5 years old. Given the history then seems they're doing the 6yr major service a bit early. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #7 autobahn Member Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 27-January 08 Gender:Male Location:UK Lexus Model:2005 LS430 Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:14 AM The dealer cannot guarantee that the two missing services (20,000 miles and 30,000) have ever been done. The car has done 38,000 miles and the dealer has spent �1K on the 60K miles service so many things were replaced (all brake pads, battery and so on). There is a stamp for the 10,000 mile service and one for 38,000 miles (which is the current mileage and at which the dealer carried out the equivalent of a 60K-mile service). He's offering a full Lexus Used Car Warranty (not the 5+ year Warranty), breakdown cover and MOT for 1 year with the car. Should I walk away? 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #8 SteveLS400 Established Member Group: Members Posts: 519 Joined: 31-October 06 Gender:Male Location:Sleaford Lincs Lexus Model:1995 LS400 MkIII Posted 27 September 2010 - 08:45 AM autobahn, on 27 September 2010 - 08:14 AM, said: The dealer cannot guarantee that the two missing services (20,000 miles and 30,000) have ever been done. The car has done 38,000 miles and the dealer has spent �1K on the 60K miles service so many things were replaced (all brake pads, battery and so on). There is a stamp for the 10,000 mile service and one for 38,000 miles (which is the current mileage and at which the dealer carried out the equivalent of a 60K-mile service). He's offering a full Lexus Used Car Warranty (not the 5+ year Warranty), breakdown cover and MOT for 1 year with the car. Should I walk away? Nah, go for it. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #9 steveskeggy Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 187 Joined: 02-November 07 Gender:Male Location:Skegness Lexus Model:ls400 Posted 27 September 2010 - 06:37 PM Depends on the price the dealer is prepared to come down to. I am wondering why a 5 year old car has had a new battery on, You should look into the service sheet and see if anything rings alarm bells. You should obviously do your own HPI check, and try to find the previous owner, and have a word. If you cant find a previous owner, then be very suspicious. If it all turns out to be innocent, then you have a very good bargaining chip to spank the dealer with. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #10 autobahn Member Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 27-January 08 Gender:Male Location:UK Lexus Model:2005 LS430 Posted 27 September 2010 - 06:49 PM Found this on the Lexus UK site regarding Lexus Approved Pre-Owned Benefits, the service specifically: QuoteAll Approved Pre-Owned Lexus vehicles must have a service history that is approved by the Lexus Centre retailing the car. Requirements for an approved service history: * All Lexus Centre services will be completed by a Lexus qualified technician and have all the applicable stamps and signatures. * Services for qualifying vehicles must be within 1,000 miles either side of the scheduled service mileage limit or within 2 months either side of the specified time period. Vehicles with an incomplete or non Lexus Centre service history can only qualify as an Approved Pre-Owned Lexus once the retailing Lexus Centre completes the most recent major service. The Centre must then update the service record book to provide to you. So I guess that they've done the most recent major service to make the car an Approved car. Then the car history check is fairly comprehensive too: QuoteThe Vehicle History Check utilises data from many sources including the DVLA, Police National computer, finance companies, ABI, BVRLA, VMC, RMIF and SMMT to name but a few. With access to over 63 million records the following checks are made: * Cross referencing between Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and registration number. * Vehicle description check. * Finance data check/high risk data check. * Registration date and year of manufacture. * Stolen vehicle check. * Write off/condition check/scrapped indicator. * Number of previous owners and owner change dates. * Plate change warning, including full plate history or any previous colour changes. * Import/export data. As with the Vehicle History Check, the Independent Mileage Check is vital as it gives both you and each Lexus Centre the confidence that the vehicle mileage has been independently verified. Most Lexus Centres carry out a full mileage verification check as a matter of course with a recommended supplier. All checks include the provision of a branded pass certificate that you will find inserted in the relevant place at the back of your handover pack. I guess the first thing I should check is the 'branded pass certificate'. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #11 SteveLS400 Established Member Group: Members Posts: 519 Joined: 31-October 06 Gender:Male Location:Sleaford Lincs Lexus Model:1995 LS400 MkIII Posted 28 September 2010 - 08:10 AM steveskeggy, on 27 September 2010 - 06:37 PM, said: I am wondering why a 5 year old car has had a new battery on, You should look into the service sheet and see if anything rings alarm bells. It is not uncommon for modern batteries to need replacing after this period. Unlike the good old fashioned type, modern batteries give little if any warning of failure. I found out when my (now ex) wife rang at 6pm one evening from the centre of Doncaster, to say her car wouldn't start. After the 70 mile journey, we abandoned the car, a 4 year old Clio oil burner. The following day I borrowed a fixed towing bar and fetched the car. The only fault was a totally dead battery ie not just flat, but deceased. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #12 passman53 Advanced Member Group: Gold Members Posts: 136 Joined: 07-May 07 Gender:Male Location:stourbridge Lexus Model:LS 430 Posted 28 September 2010 - 01:11 PM SteveLS400, on 28 September 2010 - 08:10 AM, said: steveskeggy, on 27 September 2010 - 06:37 PM, said: I am wondering why a 5 year old car has had a new battery on, You should look into the service sheet and see if anything rings alarm bells. It is not uncommon for modern batteries to need replacing after this period. Unlike the good old fashioned type, modern batteries give little if any warning of failure. I found out when my (now ex) wife rang at 6pm one evening from the centre of Doncaster, to say her car wouldn't start. After the 70 mile journey, we abandoned the car, a 4 year old Clio oil burner. The following day I borrowed a fixed towing bar and fetched the car. The only fault was a totally dead battery ie not just flat, but deceased. Didn't like to admit this but last month the battery went on my 430. It started in the morning,I drove 20 miles stopped and came to start the car about an hour later. Completely dead. Called breakdown service who came and jump started it. Drove back the 20 miles and switched off, tried to start and again nothing.Had battery checked and advised it had at least 2 cells gone. Checked on web for price of a new battery and best price for one I'd heard of was �85. Out of interest I phoned Lexus dealer and was quoted genuine Toyota/lexus branded battery for �65 -fitted. So Amazingly the dealers aren't always the most expensive. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #13 steve2006 Club Post Guru Group: Members Posts: 1,886 Joined: 12-January 06 Gender:Male Location:Alfreton,Derbys Lexus Model:LS 400 Celsior Import Posted 29 September 2010 - 01:31 PM passman53, on 28 September 2010 - 01:11 PM, said: SteveLS400, on 28 September 2010 - 08:10 AM, said: steveskeggy, on 27 September 2010 - 06:37 PM, said: I am wondering why a 5 year old car has had a new battery on, You should look into the service sheet and see if anything rings alarm bells. It is not uncommon for modern batteries to need replacing after this period. Unlike the good old fashioned type, modern batteries give little if any warning of failure. I found out when my (now ex) wife rang at 6pm one evening from the centre of Doncaster, to say her car wouldn't start. After the 70 mile journey, we abandoned the car, a 4 year old Clio oil burner. The following day I borrowed a fixed towing bar and fetched the car. The only fault was a totally dead battery ie not just flat, but deceased. Didn't like to admit this but last month the battery went on my 430. It started in the morning,I drove 20 miles stopped and came to start the car about an hour later. Completely dead. Called breakdown service who came and jump started it. Drove back the 20 miles and switched off, tried to start and again nothing.Had battery checked and advised it had at least 2 cells gone. Checked on web for price of a new battery and best price for one I'd heard of was £85. Out of interest I phoned Lexus dealer and was quoted genuine Toyota/lexus branded battery for £65 -fitted. So Amazingly the dealers aren't always the most expensive. Very true, 2 genuine lower ball joints from Lexus Derby £120.00 non genuine from motor factors £138.00. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #14 autobahn Member Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 27-January 08 Gender:Male Location:UK Lexus Model:2005 LS430 Posted 19 November 2010 - 07:30 AM It appears i've been properly stitched up by my dealer. I bought the car (2005 LS430) with the two missing service stamps 7 weeks ago and the dealer provided a full Lexus Warranty with the car. He also said that there'd be no issue buying the car back in the future and that most of the depreciation on the car had already ocurred. I contacted the dealer earlier this week to see what i'd get for it and he's not interested in buying it back. I then contacted a few other non-Lexus dealerships for part-exchange prices and the best i've had offered for my car is �9K. The car was originally advertised at �17K and I paid �16K for it just 7 weeks ago! That's depreciation of over �1K per week. It's truly mind-boggling. Lexus: never again. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #15 Malc Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 167 Joined: 17-February 09 Lexus Model:1994 LS 400 Posted 19 November 2010 - 08:40 AM As an ex car dealer I would say that you probably paid a little over the odds for your car BUT that the dealers margin looks about right in this present market ! Sorry to say .............. maybe a harder bargain could have been achieved ................ cash is always king and no more so than today. Don't blame the car eh ! Just the margin that the dealer has achieved and wants to achieve if he holds your car back in stock. The car ( hopes ) will prove a really good buy, reliable and trustworthy to the end; that is unless you trade your cars in every couple of years or so and then you would expect to be keeping the dealer in champagne and strawberries. Don't be too upset about it all ......... just ENJOY your fabulous car! Malc 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #16 SteveLS400 Established Member Group: Members Posts: 519 Joined: 31-October 06 Gender:Male Location:Sleaford Lincs Lexus Model:1995 LS400 MkIII Posted 19 November 2010 - 09:14 AM autobahn, on 19 November 2010 - 07:30 AM, said: It appears i've been properly stitched up by my dealer. I bought the car (2005 LS430) with the two missing service stamps 7 weeks ago and the dealer provided a full Lexus Warranty with the car. He also said that there'd be no issue buying the car back in the future and that most of the depreciation on the car had already ocurred. I contacted the dealer earlier this week to see what i'd get for it and he's not interested in buying it back. I then contacted a few other non-Lexus dealerships for part-exchange prices and the best i've had offered for my car is �9K. The car was originally advertised at �17K and I paid �16K for it just 7 weeks ago! That's depreciation of over �1K per week. It's truly mind-boggling. Lexus: never again. Cut-up as you obviously are, I can't see that its the fault of Lexus or of this particular car; this is the motor trade and they aren't known for their kindness and generosity. There are quite a few up for grabs on fleabay. Most are classifieds:- 2000 X 88k � 6500 2004 54 89k � 9995 2006 06 47k �16499 These are motortrader selling prices, I would suggest the buying prices would be very much lower. The latter one will be priced to return at least �5k for the trader after allowing for discount from the windscreen price, finance costs for a period (probably 6 months in this climate), minor repairs, give-aways (mats etc), MOT etc etc. Its fairly likely he paid no more than �9k for it and possible less. I am in no doubt that exactly the same kind of picture would occur with any marque and especially in such a short period of ownership. If I gave my car away today for nothing, the rate of depreciation over the period I have owned it would equate to �9.61 per week! If I sold it for what I believe it would fetch as a minimum, that figure reduces to �7.21 per week. hardly a kings ransom for the pleasure and luxury. So, please, leave off ranting about Lexus. By all means rant about the motor trade. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #17 autobahn Member Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 27-January 08 Gender:Male Location:UK Lexus Model:2005 LS430 Posted 19 November 2010 - 11:22 AM I think the main issue is that the dealer isn't even prepared to buy the car back from me and I think this is down to the missing service stamps. This is despite a verbal reassurance that this would be no problem. Plus the fact that i've never suffered from this level of depreciation. It's kind of ironic that the very same salesperson who sold me the car in the first place, after telling me that the car had done most if its depreciation already, now tells me that the larger Lexus models suffer from very heavy depreciation, just 7 weeks later. I feel i've been misled somewhat. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #18 fairygodmother Member Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 12-May 07 Gender:Male Location:South Location:South Lexus Model:RX450h SE-L Posted 19 November 2010 - 01:48 PM autobahn, on 19 November 2010 - 11:22 AM, said: I think the main issue is that the dealer isn't even prepared to buy the car back from me and I think this is down to the missing service stamps. This is despite a verbal reassurance that this would be no problem. Plus the fact that i've never suffered from this level of depreciation. It's kind of ironic that the very same salesperson who sold me the car in the first place, after telling me that the car had done most if its depreciation already, now tells me that the larger Lexus models suffer from very heavy depreciation, just 7 weeks later. I feel i've been misled somewhat. As i have worked in a lexus dealer for 9 years and i really feel for you. Buying from a Lexus dealer will give you the best prepared cars with Lexus warranty but it does come at a cost. Let me explain a dealer margin when buying a car Example: Sale price �17000 Bought price �13000 (Remember the previous owner would want a good price) margin �4000 deduct VAT �3404 Approved pre owned warranty cost from manufacturer �910 Workshop and bodywork preparation average �1000 (we all know they cost a fortune) Pay salesman �150 Valet car �35 Total net margin �1309 If the car is bought back the process starts again. Hence when buying an approved Lexus why the price drops so much if you try and selling it if you have not kept it very long. Try speaking to the centre manager and explain what has happened. Such a shame that we have some real idiots working in the trade who will say anything to sell a car. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #19 autobahn Member Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 27-January 08 Gender:Male Location:UK Lexus Model:2005 LS430 Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:39 AM ^ I understand all of that, but it doesn't negate the lack of confidence of the dealership in the cars they sell and also the blatant lies that they told me. No car should suffer depreciation of £1K per week. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #20 scythe New Club Member Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 21-November 10 Location:bristol Lexus Model:ls460 Posted 21 November 2010 - 02:41 AM Hi Autobahn, I do understand your despair. Your lexus dealer has treated you like ****. You've heard all these good things about lexus dealers being great and you never saw it coming. It's all been a bit harsh. Let me say some things though. Your car has presumable had a couple of owners, the first one being Lexus GB, who then sold it on to someone who kept it for a few years and didn't bother getting it serviced. If it had been serviced by any lexus dealer then it would have been plugged into the lexus system (and all the details of everything uploaded to lexus, including how nicely the car has been driven) and this would have been available to all lexus dealers including the one near London you bought the car from. It was therefore 13000 miles late for a major service. Your car won't be significantly worse for this, though the oil will have lost some of its protective qualities in that time. The car will be fine, and could end up covering over 200,000 miles before the grim reaper comes for it. It looks like a great car. It has the jewel in Lexus's crown, which few other 430's have, which is adaptive cruise control, which will seriously improve the quality of your life. It's a good colour, and the lighter coloured leather will be great in the summer months. You can have many years of pleasure driving round in what is a brilliant car. Be grateful for it. You've perhaps paid a little too much for this car - about 2k or so... but its got a lexus warranty, and its basically great. Lexus do build excellent cars. The sales person at your lexus dealer - this is no surprise. As a general rule of thumb, believe nothing they say. Anything they say is either something they hope you'll pick up on for later, or it's something they are saying to make you want to buy a car, or feel good about doing so. Nothing they say can be trusted. This, sadly, is true of all sales people. Even buying a book in a bookshop, the point of sale person will tell you they've read the book, and it's great. They won't have. I've had lexus sales people lie and lie and lie and lie. They are the worst. If you have a problem with itself, then tough. Lexus in Japan build really great cars, but unfortunately they have three layers underneath, and its really hard to penetrate those layers and make anyone car. Complaining is useless. When you own a lexus you have to put up with that. There's no point in moaning, and no point in trying to dump the car. Get some serous long journeys done. Go up to Scotland, and see the Isle of Skye. Drive across Ireland, to the west coast (they have some top motorways now). Take the ferry down to santander, and drive down to Malaga, and the rest of the spanish coast. Enjoy the car. 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